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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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I bought this air cleaner so I could use it on my 56 Fairlane after changing the manifold and carb. The air cleaner is supposedly from a 57-59 Ford or Mercury or maybe a Lincoln. It fits the Autolite 4100 carb perfectly. The problem is I can't find a filter for it. The filter I think I need should probably be:Top - 10.39" O.D., 7.28" I.D- Bottom - 9.78" O.D, 7.28" I.D- possibly 3.22" tall. The ones I can find fit but are too short and basically just hangs from the top and leaves nearly an inch gap from the bottom of the air clearer.
I'm stumped. It's a Ford product. It shouldn't be that hard to find. Not even a Ford catalog shows a filter that will fit. The closest one I found is from a Desoto. It fits but not perfectly as you can see in the top photo. The last photo shows the depth of the inside of the air cleaner. These are photos when I had the manifold removed from the engine to replace a rotted choke tube.
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By miker - 6 Years Ago
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Don’t know if it’s just me, but I only get the third picture. One and two are blank.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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Sorry, I don't know why you're not able to see them Miker. I can see them but then I posted them. Maybe if anyone else has issues, I'll try to repost them. There are four photos, Which one are you seeing?
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By miker - 6 Years Ago
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I got them now, don’t know why two were just a grey box before. It’s hard to tell from those photos, but can you do a plate in the bottom and just fit a standard filter of some sort? Basically hiding a filter inside the housing. I’ve done that on several occasions adapting air cleaners I liked to some it did fit. I like that air cleaner, one of those subtle touches only a few will notice.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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I was playing around with air cleaner today and I realized the Desoto filter wasn't really sealing at the bottom inside of the air cleaner. I managed to get the top of the filter to fit under the lip of the top opening of the air cleaner and the lid fits down snug when I tighten down the nut. It's not the most ideal way I wanted to make a filter work but it will do for now. I'd still like find the correct filter without micky-mousing something to fit.
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By Ted - 6 Years Ago
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I couldn’t see the first three pictures either. Fourth picture was fine. The first three were taking a long time to load. In looking at the picture properties on those particular pictures, I found that they were linked from the Ford Barn site. I’ve simply downloaded those pictures to the YBF site and reinserted them into the original ‘linked’ locations to make them more YBF site friendly.
Here’s the link to a thread posted last year on converting the ‘55/56 4V oil bath air cleaner to work with a modern carb and using a pair of stacked paper elements.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic131104.aspx
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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Yes, I had posted a thread there but had no luck either. I thought simply making copies of those photos and inserting them in the thread here would work. I guess itt only made it harder for everyone to see them.
I'll see if I can edit the post with the actual photos.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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Ted, I looked at the thread about the converted oil bath air cleaner but my original 56 air cleaner won't fit the 57 carb I have. I would have used it in its original configuration if it had fit.
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By 57RancheroJim - 6 Years Ago
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The original air filter for a 57 has a larger OD on the top to seal between the body and lid, the replacement ones they make today don't, they are the same diameter on the top and bottom. They are the correct height. I've tried both WIX and FRAM..
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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I haven't found any that were the correct height that the OD would fit. The ones with the right OD or an OD that fit were always too short except this Desoto filter.
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By 57RancheroJim - 6 Years Ago
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That must be a Lincoln or Merc air cleaner, the snorkle looks larger then a 57 ford. My 57 air filer is 9" OD and is 3 1/2" tall.
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By oldcarmark - 6 Years Ago
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56_Fairlane (9/2/2018)
I haven't found any that were the correct height that the OD would fit. The ones with the right OD or an OD that fit were always too short except this Desoto filter.
Have You tried to find 2 stacked together that would work similar to the Ones that Ted came up with?
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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What the OP has is a 56 FORD 292/312 that he used a 57 ECZ-B 4V intake with a 57 FORD 4100 carb.
He found the later style ACL (58-64) on EvilBay and bought for appearance reasons. The ACL is of unknown application as there is no Stamping I.D.
The FORD MPC FINAL ISSUE (49/59 ) (60/64) has had much info deleted and the replacement filter for this particular ACL included as there is no size match dimensions still listed.
It could also be from a FORD, MERC, EDSEL or LINC and those descriptions will be in separate cataloging.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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I have a Ford Ready Reference Catalog from 1966 and there isn't anything in it. I thought it would have all the Ford products listed but it seems to only have some Mercury applications. There's nothing in it with dimensions I need.
I've taken the ACL to NAPA to see what they could match and they had nothing other than the Desoto filter. They cross referenced all their catalogs that included Edsel, Lincoln and Mercury from the 50's and 60's. I'm stumped as well as everyone who has looked.
I haven't tried the two filter route.
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By oldcarmark - 6 Years Ago
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56_Fairlane (9/3/2018)
I have a Ford Ready Reference Catalog from 1966 and there isn't anything in it. I thought it would have all the Ford products listed but it seems to only have some Mercury applications. There's nothing in it with dimensions I need. I've taken the ACL to NAPA to see what they could match and they had nothing other than the Desoto filter. They cross referenced all their catalogs that included Edsel, Lincoln and Mercury from the 50's and 60's. I'm stumped as well as everyone who has looked. I haven't tried the two filter route.
If You go to the Manufacturers Website- Fram, Wix, etc they have Charts showing Dimensions of all their Air Filters. I checked out the Wix Site. A Wix 42051 is the same Measurements as you have given other than the Hieght is about 1 inch less. Even the Top and bottom OD Dimensions are the same as You have given. The Air Filter on Mine was shorter than I needed. This was before Ted gave the #'s for the Stack up Filters. Been on mine for several Years. I picked up a piece of Foam from the local Home Improvement Centre. Used for stuffing Cracks etc.Comes in different Diameters. I used I think 2 Inch to make a Seal as shown in my Pictures. It will compress to make a nice tight Seal. Been on there for Years. No Cracks or shrinkage etc in all that Time. This might work for You if the Air Filter is right except for Height. There was not One Wix Filter the exact Dimensions You gave. 
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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Yes. Oldcarmark, I also checked the Wix site and cross referenced lots of online filter sites and came with up nothing.
Right now I'm having trouble getting the Autolite carb working right. I probably need to get it rebuilt. I'm almost ready to go back to the teapot. But It needs to rebuilt too. I can at least go back to the stock ACL and not have to micky-mouse anything. I'll probably have to spend about the same money on either carb. I still have the original distributor with a new dual diaphragm advance.
I could probably sell the 57 carb, manifold and ACL to pay for a good rebuild on the teapot.
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By oldcarmark - 6 Years Ago
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If You are changing the Carb to the Autolite You must change the Distributor to newer 57 and later dual Advance Distributor. The Loadomatic only works with the Teapot. You may have trouble finding a Distributor as has been discussed in a prior Post. The rebuilts available are not correct Length. My personal Choice for a Carb is the Holley 8007-0 390 cfm Model. I have use 3 on 3 different installs and the stock Air cleaner fits the Holley with minimal Modification.. Unless You can come up with a Distributor U might as well switch it back to the Teapot until another Time. I would not give up on doing this Swap yet. Hold onto the Manifold until You find a Distributor. I have done 3 of these and the improvement in Drive ability is amazing..
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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I have a 57 or later distributor in it now. I guess I made it sound that I still was using the original distributor but I saved it and I can go back to it.
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By oldcarmark - 6 Years Ago
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OK That's good. Hard to find right now. If You have already changed the Manifold to 57 Style I would think about it before going back to the old setup. Either redo the Autolite,, have it redone, or switch to a Holley 390 and sell the Autolite.. Its worth the effort to stay with the later Setup especially if the Teapot needs to be redone also. Just my Opinon from Experience.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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Nothing speaks more than experience. The Autolite works OK but has a tendency to idle high. It seems like the throttle shaft sticks a little and doesn't return all the way to the end. The choke coil also seems weak and doesn't seem to either open or close the choke plate.It also has a slight flat spot / sputter when trying to accelerate, more so when cold. I replaced the pump diaphragm and it squirts nicely down the bores.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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57RancheroJim (9/3/2018)
That must be a Lincoln or Merc air cleaner, the snorkle looks larger then a 57 ford. My 57 air filer is 9" OD and is 3 1/2" tall.
I measured my snorkel and it's 9" wide. What could my ACL be actually from?
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By PF Arcand - 6 Years Ago
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First, this might not be helpful, but that housing is not any 1957 Ford air cleaner that I've seen.. Mercury ??
N.B.- For info, I've had a problem getting a correct filter for my '57 Air cleaner. The one listed by the largest aftermarket parts outfit in our area, is about 5/16" to high, so the lid does not fit down properly.. Good luck
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By 57RancheroJim - 6 Years Ago
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56_Fairlane (9/3/2018)
57RancheroJim (9/3/2018)
That must be a Lincoln or Merc air cleaner, the snorkle looks larger then a 57 ford. My 57 air filer is 9" OD and is 3 1/2" tall. I measured my snorkel and it's 9" wide. What could my ACL be actually from?
My first guess seeing the larger snorkle was it must be from a larger engine like an FE, but I didn't see anything listed for a Ford. Tbird, Merc, Edsel, Lincoln from 57-64 that matched the size you need, Baffling???.
Check the WIX 42041 for Chrysler products, seem close to the size you need?
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By Ted - 6 Years Ago
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56_Fairlane (9/3/2018)
I measured my snorkel and it's 9" wide. What could my ACL be actually from?
Lincoln?
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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57RancheroJim (9/4/2018)
56_Fairlane (9/3/2018)
57RancheroJim (9/3/2018)
That must be a Lincoln or Merc air cleaner, the snorkle looks larger then a 57 ford. My 57 air filer is 9" OD and is 3 1/2" tall. I measured my snorkel and it's 9" wide. What could my ACL be actually from? My first guess seeing the larger snorkle was it must be from a larger engine like an FE, but I didn't see anything listed for a Ford. Tbird, Merc, Edsel, Lincoln from 57-64 that matched the size you need, Baffling???. Check the WIX 42041 for Chrysler products, seem close to the size you need?
I wonder if it's thr same one I have that's for a Desoto? I'll have to compare the NAPA number I have.
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By PF Arcand - 6 Years Ago
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DJ: I'm not any expert on carbs, but re the Autolite. According to literature I have here, which originated from the former Pony Carburetors in N.Y. state, the choke issues you are having may be caused by the following; Dirt has entered the choke housing & is causing it to act up. The 1.08 series one I have here, from the factory, received it's choke operation air thru a tube from inside the main filter element, to ensure dirt didn't get into the mechanism. Also, on some models of that carb, they were in OEM installations, fitted near a hot side heater hose attached near the choke mechanism to help ensure it opened promply. I've never seen that, but it might be a case of not enough heat? And the other day I saw one being used with an electric choke.. And a further note on dirt. Pony Carbs used to rebuilt & tune those carbs for Mustangs etc. Their Warranty was void if you didn't use a "new" gas filter when installing the carb..
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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The choke has a small pipe that gets heat supplied from an exhaust passage in the intake manifold. I replaced the pipe that ran inside the manifold because it was rotted. There seems to be plenty of heat getting to the choke. The only thing is I don't have any heat resistant cloth wrapping the pipe that runs from the outside of the manifold to the choke housing. I can't find any the length I need which is only a few inches total. I don't think the pipe loses much of the heat without it.
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By paul2748 - 6 Years Ago
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The TBird parts people have the insulator for the pipe. CASCO has it in their catalog - part # 9865. Different one for a 56 and a 57
56_Fairlane (9/5/2018)
The choke has a small pipe that gets heat supplied from an exhaust passage in the intake manifold. I replaced the pipe that ran inside the manifold because it was rotted. There seems to be plenty of heat getting to the choke. The only thing is I don't have any heat resistant cloth wrapping the pipe that runs from the outside of the manifold to the choke housing. I can't find any the length I need which is only a few inches total. I don't think the pipe loses much of the heat without it.
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By 56_Fairlane - 6 Years Ago
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That's what I need but unfortunately they have a $14 minimum shipping charge. I think I looked around before and was discouraged at the high cost of shipping something so cheap so I gave up on it.
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