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By 55charliebird - 6 Years Ago
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My "new" starter arrived today. BENDIX EXTENDED-OUT (toward flywheel). Called factory, a new starter is on the way to me. Factory said starters are shipped BENDIX RETRACTED-IN. They said it could be difficult to install if extended. NOW I've read many articles and IN-OR-OUT makes no difference. Geeze Louise! I'm inclined to believe retracted is the way to go. Another question A video shows a Folo-Thru Bendix that is assembled on a starter. It is battery spun to the extended position. He then hand turns it back to the retracted position. He repeats this process a couple of times. My spare starter will spin it out to the extended position but I cant hand turn it back to the retracted position. Is my Bendix broken?
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By Gene Purser - 6 Years Ago
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The flywheel has a little more force than your hand to retract the bendix. Can you retract it with a tool?
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By 55charliebird - 6 Years Ago
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Didn't try a tool. I was trying it like I saw it on the you tube video called "test starter 292". He uses no tools.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 6 Years Ago
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If the guy in the video can retract his bendix by hand, then I think his bendix is the one that is broken. There are spring loaded dogs which hold the bendix in the extended position. When the engine starts, the flywheel spins the bendix fast enough to overcome the springs by centrifugal force and the bendix retracts. When I need to retract one, I hold the bendix teeth against the wire wheel on my bench grinder and spin it to retract it. Spin it in the direction where you can hear the bendix make a ratcheting sound. I have heard of guys spinning them against the tire of a jacked up rear wheel of a car in gear and idling also.
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By Tedster - 6 Years Ago
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Didn't we go through this already in an earlier thread? You can use a piece of broken off pencil lead I'm told, though I've never actually tried it. I believe them. Or spool it up with a bench grinder brush wheel.
For all that, it doesn't matter if the starter drive is extended on truck engines. Why does it matter on car engines, just curious. No clearance?
I'm really surprised they are sending you a new starter for this?? Crazy.
I recall reading on an archived post somewhere, that one motor repair shop guy said the very first thing that everybody would always do when they picked up their rebuilt starter at the counter or whatever, is spin the Bendix by hand. They had a sign telling people but they did anyway.
*Click!*
They always charged a $1 to reset it
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By 55charliebird - 6 Years Ago
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The auto parts store is getting me the replacement. I am beginning to believe the wire size of 00 is critical. That's why my starter is "clicking" I have 00 from output of relay to starter but from battery to input of relay is #4 wire. When I went straight from battery to starter I used my jumpers #10. The starter is on the engine, #10 jumpers wont cut it. Starters on the bench will spin with #10 jumpers.
VERY GOOD LESSON....ALL STARTER WIRES SHOULD BE #00..............INCLUDING THE GROUND CABLE.
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By Tedster - 6 Years Ago
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Ok, I thought you wrote they were replacing the starter because the bendix was extended.
Vintage MoToRs from the 50s or the Ford shop manual among other things they have very good tune up and troubleshooting procedures using a low ranging voltmeter and voltage drop testing the cables and connections, solenoid and so on.
The battery and cables, grounds, charging, generator, were considered integral to performing a tuneup, because a weak battery meant weak ignition and poor performance, especially under load.
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By Sandbird - 6 Years Ago
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This is from a '56 Merc w/312 shop manual.
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By 55charliebird - 6 Years Ago
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I did get a replacement starter from the auto parts store, directed to do so by the mfg. hotline. The first new one was extended. The new one arrived today......it is retracted (as it should be per mfg. hotline). NAPA made me a ground (red) cable of the correct gage. I'm ready to crank it over. Thanks for your help.
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By Rono - 6 Years Ago
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This is slightly off topic, but when I first test ran my blown stroker motor the Bendix drive was hanging up on the ring gear. The flywheel I'm using was an 11" from a truck and when I had it resurfaced I noticed the teeth on one side of the ring gear were worn. I had heard that you can remove the ring gear and flip it over which is what I did after I got the flywheel back from the shop. I have since heard that the teeth on the ring gear are beveled on one side so that the teeth on the Bendix drive mesh smoothly. So, is flipping the ring gear to use the unworn side a myth or could my Bendix drive have a problem? The starter was a newly rebuilt unit by a local auto electric shop.
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By 57RancheroJim - 6 Years Ago
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I've heard of people flipping the gear but I decided not to try it and just bought a new one, they aren't expensive I think mine was $20. The ring gear also has a small bevel on the inside that goes against the flywheel.
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By Ted - 6 Years Ago
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I’ve flipped the starter ring gears on standard trans flywheels without issue but if a new ring gear is available and time is not an issue, then by all means purchase a new ring gear. If flipping the ring gear on a V8 flywheel, then be sure to clock it 45° different than where it was originally so that the new side being used is contacting a fresh set of teeth. You’ll find starter wear marks each 90° on a V8 ring gear and 60° on a six cylinder and you’ll want the reversed ring gear using a unused section of teeth.
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By 55charliebird - 6 Years Ago
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Installed the heavy gage battery cables today (made by NAPA). The engine turned right over (with the original starter) in it. So now I have the brand new starter that I will keep, just in case. Cable size was the fix. When I started to dress up the engine compartment, I started replacing battery cables. They were lighter gage......no good. Thanks for all the help and ideas
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By 55charliebird - 6 Years Ago
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The new NAPA ground (red) cable worked. Now I need to find out why there is no spark from the coil. I;m sure it is a bad grounding of the distributor.
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By Tedster - 6 Years Ago
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Have you tried a known good condenser? As mentioned in the other thread the new ones, are not specifically too good.
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