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By zach134 - 8 Years Ago
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I HAVE A 1954 FOR CUSTOMLINE WITH A 312 Y BLOCK IN IT. I RECENTLY FOUND A 2X4 INTAKE FROM A THUNDERBIRD PRETTY CHEAP AND HAD IT FIXED UP AND CLEANED. I FOUND OUT THAT YOU NEED A DIFFERENT VALLEY PAN FOR IT. HOPING THAT SOMEONE HAS A LEAD OR 2 ABOUT FINDING ONE.
THANK YOU,
ZACH
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By paul2748 - 8 Years Ago
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Check with John Mummert. he has an aluminum one that might work.
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By NoShortcuts - 8 Years Ago
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I'm not sure that John Mummert's valley pan will work with the Ford original '56 power pack 2x4 aluminum intake manifold or the Ford '57 aluminum 'E' code intake manifold. In '56, Ford supplied a valley pan made out of a flat sheet of (?) 12 gauge steel with the breather tube opening in the back end and the oil fill tube in the front to go with the power pack kit.
A quality repro of the '57 'E' code unit is available from Felix Natoli. His workmanship is exceptional. Click the link below to see one on eBay. There are two other repros. on eBay presently, but for the money I prefer this one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/311630793999?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Hope this helps. 
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By zach134 - 8 Years Ago
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Thank you for the listing. I will look into that one. From what I have heard, this is a pretty rare part to find.
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By MoonShadow - 8 Years Ago
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You can also make one out of a flat sheet of aluminum. Works great.
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By NoShortcuts - 8 Years Ago
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Zach 134. Moonshadow is right. Click the link below to see a representation of what the original Ford '56 power pack valley pan looked like.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-1956-1957-Ford-Tbird-E-flat-valley-pan-1-8-inch-thick-steel-Y-block-New-/351546704076?hash=item51d9d100cc:g:Ow4AAOSw5VFWGsJ1&vxp=mtr
This is kind-of-like what Ford produced, but you get the idea. If you prefer this earlier style, Natoli makes these, too. The difference is his are more accurate, Ford look-exactly-like reproductions. The difference is in the details of general appearance, materials used (metal thickness, filler tube wall thickness), lower baffle production (original style pressed pattern) and joining methods used (spot welding, silver soldering) than the one pictured here on eBay. Yes, original power pack filler tubes were bronze welded (brazed) in place, but the silver soldering is stronger and neater.
As Moonshadow says, you could make one, too.
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By zach134 - 8 Years Ago
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Thank you everyone for getting me into the right direction. Hopefully I can figure it out soon and get the intake and carbs on.
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By Baby Blue 57 - 8 Years Ago
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I have a good used one flat steel that I used on a 312 with stock manifold. Also the down draft tube if needed. Same as one that someone sent you to look at on ebay. If you don't need to use the rear down draft tube its easy to plug off the hole. or some guys use it to install a PCV.
If interested contact me at mdw104@yahoo.com for price and pictures if needed.
Mike
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By zach134 - 8 Years Ago
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Does anyone have to specs to the valley cover. I am going to make one but didn't want to remove everything on the car right now. So, if anyone has the measurements, that would be awesome. Thank you again!!
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By Genuinerod - 8 Years Ago
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Concours Parts (800-722-0009) sells valley covers for "E" motors for $115.00. It is a aftermarket cover but I think the price is right for what it is.
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By Shaggy - 8 Years Ago
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There is one i saw at the last monroe washington swapmeet. The people had a 50's ford booth, mabey someone on here locally remembers who it was and has contact info. They wanted a chunk for it as i recall
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By NoShortcuts - 8 Years Ago
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Click the link below to see what is offered by the seller as an original '57 'E' code valley pan. $$$
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-THUNDERBIRD-FORD-E-SERIES-DUAL-QUAD-2X4-VALLEY-PAN-/262550050288?hash=item3d2133d5f0:g:tUUAAOSwcBhWXkik
Notice that the filler neck has been re-brazed on the bottom side. I say, 're-brazed' because of the fresh color of the bronze and the amount that was applied. Ford did not use that much bronze, the original joint would have appeared to have been virtually sweat soldered.
Lots of ways to go IF you need a valley pan that will work with the original Ford y-block aluminum 2x4 manifolds. - I think that a lot of the original Ford 2x4 manifolds with broken 'ears' that have been welded back on resulted from individuals attempting to install the Ford 2x4 intake over the standard y-block valley pan. Tough lesson! 
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By NoShortcuts - 8 Years Ago
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After the '57 model year, Ford continued to supply y-block 'E' code valley pans to those ordering them over the Ford parts counter. At some point, the stock of original 'E' valley pan production ran-out and Ford used the '57 'E' code tooling in conjunction with the valley pans currently in production for the later y-block applications. Thus, Ford continued to supply replacement 'E' code valley pans when they were ordered after the '57 model year had passed.
Click the link below to see an excellent facsimile of what the later 'E' code valley pans supplied by Ford for sale by dealer parts counters looked like. My comparison only sees the dome at the bottom of the oil fill tube as the difference between the '57 production units and the after production year units supplied over the Ford parts counter.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/311630793999?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Someone told me once that there may be a difference in the length of the oil fill tubes, too. Could be, don't know. 
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By Ted - 8 Years Ago
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zach134 (8/3/2016)
Does anyone have to specs to the valley cover. I am going to make one but didn't want to remove everything on the car right now. So, if anyone has the measurements, that would be awesome. Thank you again!!
Here’s the picture of a modified cover I use on the dyno mule for various intake manifold testing. It provides the necessary clearance for both the 1956 and 1957 Ford dual quad intakes.
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By zach134 - 8 Years Ago
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Ted,
Thank you so much for that. I am pretty sure this is the route I will go. Was it an easy modification?
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By Ted - 8 Years Ago
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zach134 (8/5/2016)
Ted, Thank you so much for that. I am pretty sure this is the route I will go. Was it an easy modification?
This wasn’t a major job but some welding skills are needed. It involved three cuts and then lowering the center portion ~1” at the front. A piece of sheet metal was then cut and bent to fill in the gaps and welded in place.
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By NoShortcuts - 8 Years Ago
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Adding to what Ted indicated, take steps when welding to prevent warpage of the cover. This might involve the use of square stock and clamping along the perimeter cover edge to a metal table top, skip welding, and time-outs to avoid heat build-up.
Certainly a do-able, functional, and potentially money saving approach.
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By The Ford Rebuilder - 7 Years Ago
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Sir, I have a 54 Customline also with a 427 in it. I know of the valley pan you are referring to and have a couple of them. They do make a non concours reproduction of it with the tube coming out of it for the push on breather cap. But if you are looking for a OEM original, I can help you.
-TFR
thefordrebuilder@yahoo.com
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By zach134 - 7 Years Ago
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Thank you very much. Actually as of the last week, I have decided to go in a different direction and looking to sell the intake and valley cover that I have.
-Zach
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