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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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By Grumpy1 - 10 Years Ago
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I think its a carter WCFB. Just guessing.
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By paul2748 - 10 Years Ago
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Maybe off a 56 Merc
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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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Sweet thank you and you could def be correct it has Mercury engine in it at least the valve covers any info is much needed 
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By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
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I agree with Paul and Grumpy. It appears to be a Carter WCFB. Two models of '56 Mercs used the WCFB carburetor. All the other 312 Mercs in '56 and all of the four barrel carburetor applications on Fords used Holley 4000s.
What puzzles me on your carb is the choke plate. I wonder if someone made a replacement out of something. I've never seen one that looked like that on the numerous '56 Merc WCFBs that I've looked at.
Hope this helps.
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By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
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Greygoose56: I may be repeating what's in an earlier thread that you put-up ~ 3months ago...
IF this WCFB that you've posted the picture of is '56 Merc it is a one year, Merc only application.
IF the Carter ID tag is not on it, look for these items for verification that it is of '56 Merc origin:
- a 'spark control valve' between the two idle adjusting screws on the front base of the carburetor
- a steel vacuum line with attachment fitting on the front of the carb base just above the spark control valve
- a brass rectangular fitting screwed into the rear base of the carburetor that has two places for vacuum lines with threaded fittings to be attached
NOTE: the front vacuum line and one of the two rear vacuum lines originally went to the distributor on the '56 Mercs for providing the two different vacuum signals for the LoadOMatic ignition distributor. The '56 Merc distributor ignition advance curve was totally actuated by springs and the two different vacuum signals from the carburetor
Hope this helps
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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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Dang thank you again , and yes it is the same one got caught in life and back on the truck again, would you have a recommendation, am I better off trying to get a replacement carb or rebuild giving I believe that it is the carb that your describing out of the 56 merc
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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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I found some rebuild kits for pretty cheap I'm gonna go ahead and do that thank you for your gait help much appreciated
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By yalincoln - 10 Years Ago
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hi! it could be a 56 merc or a 57 Lincoln? it definitely is for a ford product because of the vacume chamber on the secondaries. the Lincoln carb has larger venturies.
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By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
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Greygoose56: Food for thought...
Rebuilding your WCFB is certainly an option.
IF you gave me a '56 Merc Carter WCFB and a Holley 4000 with my choice of which to rebuild... I would likely pick the Holley 4000.
For me, the Holley 4000 is easier to work on and I'm more familiar with them
The Carter WCFB calls for use of a bunch of Carter made tools for those who do this stuff regularly.
Which ever carb you're going to rebuild, IF you need the instruction sheets from the manufacturer for the '56 Ford/Mercury Holley 4000 or the '56 Mercury application Carter WCFB, contact me using the Forum PM (PersonalMessage) system and I'll send you photocopies of the information.
Along the same vein, IF you use either '56 vintage carburetor, consider eliminating the '56 LoadoMatic ignition distributor and substituting a '57 and up Ford/Mercury y-block ignition distributor. While you would not have the correct vacuum signal from either carburetor to use the vacuum advance mechanism provision, the centrifugal advance mechanism will perform completely flawlessly and provide satisfactory performance from whatever your application.
Hope this helps.
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By DryLakesRacer - 10 Years Ago
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I have many Carter WCFB's and use 2 on my dual quad set up on my 292 56 Victoria. I find them very easy to work on and tune. Because they were used on many vehicles and manufacturers and parts and "kits" are available. Some like the Oldsmobile and Lincoln have aluminum bases and others use the cast iron. I do not recognize the waffle design on the one shown and the 2 Merc WCFBs I have do not have that style.
I'm sure there is a way to covert the base to use a 57+ distributor like Ted did for the Holley but I do not know how to do it. I first ran a single 53 Cadillac Carter WCFB on my 'A' style small base intake and it performed flawlessly before going to the dual carbs and it worked with the later distributor with no changes. Good Luck.
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By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
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DryLakesRacer mentioned modifying the '55 and '56 Holley 4000 carburetors so that you do get the correct vacuum signal needed for use with a later '57-'64 Ford or Mercury ignition distributor. Click the link below to see the excellent 'how-to-do-it' article written by Ted Eaton.
http://www.eatonbalancing.com/blog/2013/03/02/modifying-the-holley-teapot-four-barrel-carb-for-late-model-distributors/
As for the '56 Mercury application Carter WCFB carburetors, DryLakesRacer is correct. Only the one year of Mercurys with the 312 engine used the WCFB carb with the circuitry designed to work with the '54-'56 FoMoCo LoadoMatic fully vacuum controlled ignition spark advance distributor. Instead of modifying the '56 Merc WCFB carburetor vacuum circuitry for use with the '57-'64 centrifugal and vacuum advance ignition distributors, you could use just the centrifugal advance portion of the system.
While FoMoCo's LoadoMatic distributors worked back-in-the-day, they are prone to problems (vacuum leaks and faulty vacuum diaphragms) and are swapped-out by many of us in favor of the ignition distributors FoMoCo turned to in '57 and used exclusively in numerous engine families until crankshaft triggers and computer controls replaced them.
Back-in-the-day, I assembled several '59-'64 FoMoCo y-block ignition distributors with 1960, '61, and '62 Ford 352, 390, and 406 application stationary distributor plates mounting dual ignition points, combined with a 13 degree distributor cam, and alternate distributor springs. The assembly provided centrifugal advance only and worked very satisfactorily in the 312 y-blocks they were used in. The vacuum advance portion of the stock '57-'64 distributors is for the purpose of increasing fuel economy when operating at a continuous engine speed with an elevated high engine vacuum. That economy thought was not part of my thinking at that time. 
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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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Okay cool I'll try and take most of this information I really appreciate your guys help learning as we go
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By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
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Greygoose56: Your earlier thread on this topic contains some additional information about this carburetor and the '56 LoadoMatic distributor you may have presently installed with it.
Click the link below to review your previous posting and the input from several Forum members at that time.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic116377.aspx
Don't hesitate to ask questions. That's how we all learn. I want to see you get this engine going again!
Hope this helps.
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By DryLakesRacer - 10 Years Ago
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I read an article that stated the Carters were used at one assembly Mercury assembly plant near where the Carters were manufactured. Not sure on the truth of that. I have also read where there the Mercs that ran in NASCAR used the Carters instead of the Holley 4000's. I know the Holley 4000's had different #'s for the dual quad set up than stock single units. In my opinion the Carters would not have needed that with the exception of a minor restriction in the vacuum for the Loadmatic but who knows for sure. Good luck...
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By mjs - 10 Years Ago
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Definitely looks like a 57 Lincoln carb. Here's the one in my 57 convertible
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By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
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- Spark control valves were used as a component in the carburetor vacuum circuitry needed for supplying FoMoCo LoadoMatic distributors in '54, '55, and '56.
- '57 Fords, Lincolns, and Mercurys did not use LoadoMatic distributors.
- IF the Carter WCFB carburetor on your '57 Lincoln has a spark control valve located between the two idle mixture adjusting screws on the front base of the carburetor, your carburetor is not of '57 Lincoln origin.
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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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Hey grey goose here, so I'm going to go ahead and rebuild the carter WCFB, I'm headed to order the rebuild kit, my next questions will prob relate to the actual conversion process I read the article that was linked, that has good step by step instructions, so I guess my next posts will b under a new topic ) THANK YOU ALL AGAIN!!!!
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By Thegreygoose56 - 10 Years Ago
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Guess one more question I believe it's the 4160, but there's 4150, 2x4 ... What carb rebuild kit should I purchase for the carb of this topic!
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By Ted - 10 Years Ago
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Thegreygoose56 (11/25/2015)
Guess one more question. I believe it's the 4160, but there's 4150, 2x4 ...
?? 4150/4160 are Holley model numbers. The Carter carb would be in the WCFB model category.
Thegreygoose56 (11/25/2015)
... What carb rebuild kit should I purchase for the carb of this topic!?
Assuming you want a carburetor kit for the WCFB carb, then ordering a kit for a Carter carbed 1956 Mercury will get you there. Having the tag number will help. Here’s the link to the previous thread giving the carb part number on your missing tag.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/FindPost116555.aspx
Daytona Parts Co. is a good source for carb kits that are ethanol friendly.
Here’s their link. http://daytonaparts.com/
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