Need Ported Vacuum


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By Ecode70D - 10 Years Ago
I'm running two WCFB carburetors on my 57 Ford with stock 57 distributor.  Is there a place on these  carburetors to hook up ported vacuum? 
By Ted - 10 Years Ago

What was the original application for the WCFB carbs you are using?

By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
I'm interested in the same issue that Ecode70D has asked about, Ted.

I've got two '56 Merc Carter No. 2361 WCFBs that I'm trying to help a friend set-up for use with a '57-'64 FoMoCo distributor.  I'd like to convert the vacuum signal source as you detailed for the '55 and '56 species of the Holley 4000s.  A full centrifugal advance distributor is an option, BUT...  

The 2361 WCFBs have aluminum throttle shaft bases, a spark control valve located between the two idle adjusting screws, and vacuum secondaries.

Any guidance you can provide would be appreciated.  Smile

Regards,
By Ecode70D - 10 Years Ago
Ted
     Unfortunaely I don't know what the two carbs came off of.   I bought both of them off a guy that had them on the Y block in his 57 Ford.  He replaced the Y block with an FE engine.  I have a Y block Mallory distributor, but would like to use the stock 57 unit.  
     Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Jay
By Ted - 10 Years Ago

If the WCFB carbs are off a 50’s era GM product (Cadillac, Olds, Buick), then the staged or ported vacuum signal you need is already there. Hooking up the distributor to only one carb (usually the rear one) will give you the necessary vacuum signal for the ’57 and up Y distributors.  The external staged vacuum port on those carbs will be located between the two idle mixture screws.  Those carbs also had mechanical secondaries.
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If the WCFB carbs in question have a vacuum pod on each to work the secondary throttles as well as a spark advance valve located between the idle mixture screws, then that is a Mercury WCFB 4V carb which was originally designed to work with the ’56 and earlier Load-O-Matic distributors.  The distributor port on that particular carb is located above the spark advance valve but that circuit also incorporates a venturi assisted vacuum signal which makes it unsuitable for use with the vacuum chamber on a ’57 and up Y distributor.  While I’m sure that the venturi assisted part of that vacuum signal can be blocked so that only the staged signal at the primary throttle blades is the only vacuum source for the distributor, I haven’t had to do that yet simply due to the small number of those carbs that are still around.  When running a pair of those carbs on a dual quad setup on the dyno, it was done using only the mechanical advance portion of a MSD distributor.
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I did look at the bottom of one of those Mercury carbs sitting here but it will require some disassembly to see exactly what modifications would be required to make that carburetor compatible with the later model Y distributors. Without the modifications similar to what has been done to the Teapot 4Vcarbs, I would be worried about too much vacuum being supplied to the later model distributors when driving with the throttle open any more than just for cruising.  Short term, a properly curved distributor with only mechanical advance capability would still give good overall performance without having to hook up the vacuum advance portion of the distributor.

By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
THANKS, Ted.  Much appreciated!  Smile

Regards,
By Ecode70D - 10 Years Ago
WOW! Ted

     That's great information.  It looks like my carburetors have that vacuum pod feature that you referred to.   I'm sending a picture of them to your email so you can confirm it or not.   If so , I'll .......
     step 1.   Hook up a vacuum line from the appropriate   distributor port to the 57 distributor and see what happens.
              If that does not give satisfactory results, It looks like I will have to go to step 2.
     step 2.   Install the Mallory distributor with the mechanical advance.  

Thank you very much for taking the time to give me your well thought out advice.  Jay

    
By charliemccraney - 10 Years Ago
Ecode70D (7/28/2014)
     ...step 2.   Install the Mallory distributor with the mechanical advance...     

Or leave the distributor in there and don't use the vacuum advance.

You can also try manifold vacuum if you have a port somewhere.
By Ted - 10 Years Ago

Here are a couple of pictures showing the venturi assisted vacuum circuit for the LOM distributors in a ’56 Mercury WCFB carb.  That section of the circuit will need to be disabled if wanting to use the vacuum advance on the ’57 and later Y distributors.  Blocking the indicated port in picture #2 could be done by threading the hole either 8-32 or 10-32 and using a set screw.

By NoShortcuts - 10 Years Ago
EXCELLENT!  Thanks again for the information and the invaluable pictures, Ted.  Much appreciated!  Smile

Regards,
By Ecode70D - 10 Years Ago
Ted
   Thank you very much for the pictures and your patient explanation.  
    I did not realize that the distributor in my car was not a 57, but an early one with no mechanical advance.  ( loadomatic ? ).  Today I installed a  real 57 distributor with vacuum and mechanical advance and it is running much better.   Our summers are very short in Mass. so I'm going to drive the car for now and wait until about September to tear down the rear WCFB and plug that hole as you suggested.    You are a real help to guys on this site.   Jay