By 46yblock - 17 Years Ago
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The late model Y's have those two extra holes between the center cylinders. What was their purpose? They are so small it doesnt seem like they would do much of anything.
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By 1964fordf100292 - 17 Years Ago
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i believe that they are there to cure the blown head gasket problem that used to happen because of the orentation of the exhaust valves. If i remember reading somewhere that john mummert actually drills them bigger to help with the cooling of the exhaust valves on the two center cylinders but i am sure someone will chime in to tell me if i am wrong or not.
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By paul2748 - 17 Years Ago
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The info I have that the holes are for detonation problems and possible gasket failure due to spot overheating. For those blocks/heads not drilled from the factory, the top or inner (intake side) hole is supposed to be 11/64, the lower or outer (exhaust side) hole 1/4. I don't know what size the factory holes were, I assume they were the same.
All the replacement gaskets are supposed to have the holes in them.
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By speedpro56 - 17 Years Ago
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I drilled the holes the same size as the ones in the gasket and the engines seems to run cooler.
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By 46yblock - 17 Years Ago
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What about the higher performing heads made prior to '62 without the matching holes? Should they be drilled? Edit: Slhould they be drilled if used on the C2AE?
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By Ted - 17 Years Ago
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This has the potential of being a controversial topic. In the performance applications, I go out of my way to use blocks and cylinder heads that do not have the ‘steam’ holes. These additional holes just provide another opportunity for a head gasket failure. To date, I’ve had no issues with any Y blocks or cylinder heads that do not have steam holes as long as the coolant level is always kept full. And I’ve experienced absolutely no differences in engine temperatures with or without the steam holes as the engines run at the thermostat rated temperature in either case. If the coolant level drops significantly, then the steam holes will invariably have some benefit and can potentially delay any ‘cracking’ issues that may surface as a result.
Even the C2 blocks come with and without the steam holes so Ford was not consistent in their thought process in this regard unless it goes back to the application of the engine whether it was being installed in a car or truck. The ’60-’62 cars had a low profile radiator which could have compounded cooling issues if the coolant was only marginally lower than where it needed to be.
I’ve gone so far as to have a special run of head gaskets made for the Y that do not have the ‘steam’ holes and with some of the other coolant holes being located further away from the sealing ring. The non-steam hole gaskets are designed to work best on blocks and/or heads that also do not have the coolant holes. If both the heads and blocks have the steam holes, then by all means utilize them. This is just what works for myself so opinions are likey to vary.
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By 46yblock - 17 Years Ago
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Since my block has the holes and the heads do not, is there an easy way to plug up the holes that wouldnt require resurfacing of the deck? Epoxy?
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By speedpro56 - 17 Years Ago
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Leave as is because they are blocked by the heads not having the steam holes.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 17 Years Ago
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Gary,
If your head gasket has the holes (FelPro does), wouldn't the same hi-po leak/gasket problem Ted mentioned still exist if the block has them? Might as well drill holes in the head and take advantage of the additional cooling of center exhaust valve area, or fill the gasket holes with sealer?
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By yehaabill - 17 Years Ago
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Y-Guys Don't hold this against me, but the 400 small block scrub has the "steam" holes and a lot of them seem to have problems... My 2cnts Bill
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By 46yblock - 17 Years Ago
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DANIEL TINDER (3/6/2008) Gary,
If your head gasket has the holes (FelPro does), wouldn't the same hi-po leak/gasket problem Ted mentioned still exist if the block has them? Might as well drill holes in the head and take advantage of the additional cooling of center exhaust valve area, or fill the gasket holes with sealer?This was along the lines of my thinking also, given what Ted said. Maybe it isnt any big deal. Performance level is mild with 9 to 1 comression. But if they arent going to be used, they sure are close to the cylinder wall.
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By Ted - 17 Years Ago
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46yblock (3/6/2008) Since my block has the holes and the heads do not, is there an easy way to plug up the holes that wouldnt require resurfacing of the deck? Epoxy?Unless you could fill the steam holes with a steel insert, there wouldn’t be a strength advantage to doing otherwise. And ideally plugging the holes with a steel insert would need to be done before deck milling. I’d recommend just leaving the holes as is in lieu of just filling them up with sealer or epoxy. The holes in the gasket are more of a problem than the hole in the block as far as gasket failure goes. The holes in the block and heads on the other hand are just an opportunity for a crack to start out from.
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By simplyconnected - 16 Years Ago
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Ted (3/8/2008) ...The holes in the gasket are more of a problem than the hole in the block as far as gasket failure goes. The holes in the block and heads on the other hand are just an opportunity for a crack to start out from.Forgive me for beating this dead horse, Ted. It is unnerving to find instructions in my quality Fel Pro full gasket set, to drill tiny "steam" holes in my block and heads, especially if they aren't needed. I will take your advice and NOT drill them. My block has lasted all these years without a hitch (hole-less), and I trust your experience and skills much more than Fel Pro's. 

I am very glad I found this thread, because at this time in my build, NOW is the time to make this decision. Truthfully, I damn-near followed Fel Pro's instructions to drill all eight holes. - Dave
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By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
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Assuming your head & gasket has the holes already, and you end up with an early block without them (and you decide the extra cooling not worth the risk of a crack starting by drilling the block), what exactly is the action/procedure that should be followed (if any)?
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By speedpro56 - 16 Years Ago
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I drilled the extra steam hole in my heads and block of any yblock I'm building, it seems the help the engine run alittle cooler which I'm in favor of. But I don't believe it's by know means a must do if your engine runs cool enough as it is. My reasoning for doing it is because the exhaust in the middle are close enough to create a hot spot.
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By simplyconnected - 16 Years Ago
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When I heard these tiny holes are for steam, I said to myself, "Yeah, right." Then I thought of how much (or how little) water pressure there is. Aint no way any meaningful water is going to flow through these small holes. Steam, causes LOTS of pressure, and shoots through the smallest openings. So ok, I'll buy the 'steam' theory.First of all, I'm not building a race engine to go in a two ton Galaxie. Is it an early engine? They came out in '54, mine is a '59, and I believe trucks still used the 292 in '62. Mine is in the middle of Ford's production run which means, for five years before mine, Ford didn't need extra holes but now they do. Ok, so what to believe? The guys with the most experience, practicing their talents and skills. If Ted says, "No need for holes," then that's good enough for my 292. The holes will still remain in the Fel-Pro head gaskets, but I won't drill my iron. Dave Dare
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By Ted - 16 Years Ago
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Dave. Thanks for the reinforcement on the sizing of the ‘steam holes’ not contributing heavily to actual cooling. That mirrors my sentiments. I’ve actually had to downsize the intermediate cooling holes in the decks on the small block Fords in which to decrease overall heating temperatures or prevent overheating in certain instances.
For all. What must be remembered is that the coolant for the Y circulates into the block and to the rear of the engine at which point it then enters the head and comes forward again to enter the intake manifold and then back to the radiator. Any coolant holes placed in the block deck and heads prior to the rear of the engine circumvents the coolant reaching the rear of the block and in turn permits the rear of the engine and heads to run warmer. It’s a fine balance to equalize the temperatures throughout the block and heads without abnormally large variances in coolant temperatures being present throughout. yehaabill (3/6/2008) Y-Guys Don't hold this against me, but the 400 small block scrub has the "steam" holes and a lot of them seem to have problems... My 2cnts Bill Bill. In rereading this post from its beginning, I noticed you did not get an answer to what was a pertinent question. The simple answer is that the 400 scrub utilizes siamese cylinder walls which essentially prevents air from from being relieved between the lower sides of the cylinders and hence the need for ‘steam’ holes. These holes allow pockets of air to be vented out and instead allows coolant to fill those voids. But as you mention, there are many documented problems with these particular blocks in regards to cracks fanning out from the steam holes in the decks. But in this case, the steam holes and the resultant cracks are obviously a deterent to the larger problem of hot pockets that would exist otherwise.
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By PF Arcand - 16 Years Ago
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It's been mentioned here before that 113 heads are more prone to cracking between the exhaust valves than other Y heads. So, even though the extra holes won't pass a lot of coolant, wouldn't they be of some benefit in the case of these heads?
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By John Mummert - 16 Years Ago
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WOW! I'm almost afraid to weigh-in here. From my observation the steam holes were added in 1961. C0AE and C0TE heads don't have them and C1AE heads do. I can't recall ever seeing a C1TE that didn't but a suppose it is possible. Steam hole is probably a misnomer. Additional cooling hole would be more accurate. The adjacent exhaust valves/ports put additional heat in this area. The holes are meant to supply additional cooling water from the block to this area. Regarding the size, in most of the heads I pull off that have them the holes are plugged with crude, so they probably didn't do much. In theory they are probably a good idea but in practice they might not have helped much. I don't think the -113 heads are any more prone to cracking than ECZ-G or -471 heads. I find all these about 30% cracked. ECZ-C heads crack between the center exhaust springs, under the valve cover but this is not as common. ECL heads crack between the intake and exhaust seats. I think that stuck heat risers in the exhaust caused as many cracked heads as anything. The 57 later heads always crack in the exhaust seat connecting to the crossover passage first. If they're not cracked there, they probably aren't cracked anywhere. I have never seen a crack extending from one of the steam holes either in a block or a head. BUT, I have no testing to prove that they helped or hurt head gaskets or cooling.
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By 46yblock - 16 Years Ago
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Good point on the plugging John. The relativey " new block" I ordered the steele gaskets from you for, has at least one of the smaller holes plugged, in the 64 pickup. Will punch out the plug and flush the system after all its back together.
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By Doug T - 16 Years Ago
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Interesting Thread. I have always drilled the "steam holes" although as was said above that is probably a misnomer. As long as the water temp in the area does not exceed the boiling point of the coolant mix at the rad cap pressure, there will not be steam there or anywhere else. But I remember reading about some Smokey Unick research on Y's when he ran them in '57. He found significant temp differences in various locations of the water jackets and there could be local boiling which would not show up in the temp gauge. It may be that Ford found this also with research and specified the holes as a fix. Because Ford would be using clean blocks and coolant the holes would not be crudded up. My guess is that the boiling and overheating takes place primarly when the engine is shut down hot and water circulation is only thermo syphon. Then the holes would pass water to the area between the ex valves where the heat would build up quickly, cooling that area. BTW Ted mentions another interesting Y design feature that has a little bit of unintended concequences. Since the the temp probe is located in the back of the head near where a large part of the water flow from the rad comes up from the block, the water exiting the head is likely to be some what hotter. I don't know if it helped or not but I have a magazine picture of Doane Spenser's T bird motor that has beautiful water manifolds the take water from the back and front of the heads.
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By Rono - 16 Years Ago
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I am building a C2AE block with 471 heads. I believe both the heads and block have the factory steam holes. I have never used the Best head gaskets (only Fel-Pro) and wondered if they have the steam holes? Rono.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
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Best gaskets DO have the holes.
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By speedpro56 - 16 Years Ago
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The only time I ever found crud in a steam hole would be when the block was drilled and the head was not and the coolent couldn't pass thru. When the holes were in the block and head I have not yet found crud buildup that bad and this may well be the engines always had antifreeze changed yearly ?????
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By aussiebill - 16 Years Ago
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Rono (12/12/2009)
I am building a C2AE block with 471 heads. I believe both the heads and block have the factory steam holes. I have never used the Best head gaskets (only Fel-Pro) and wondered if they have the steam holes? Rono. Rono, yes the Best gaskets do have the steam holes in them. Must say i,ve allways drilled my engines and never had any problems with the steam holes. best regards bill.
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By 46yblock - 16 Years Ago
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speedpro56 (12/12/2009) The only time I ever found crud in a steam hole would be when the block was drilled and the head was not and the coolent couldn't pass thru. When the holes were in the block and head I have not yet found crud buildup that bad and this may well be the engines always had antifreeze changed yearly ?????I suspect the abscence of changing antifreeze on this '64 is the reason for the plug. The block is like new except for a mess within the coolant passages. It looks like the antifreeze was never changed after rebuild, except for when the radiator was replaced. Even then the owner probably only drained the radiator. Rebuild was done in 1994, and engine had 11,000 miles over the next 10 years. Then it sat idle for 4 or 5 years.
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